Backlink Experiments / Update 1/27/2015

I realize that I haven't been contributing very much to this blog as of late, so I decided that I would get this last post out tonight and bring everyone up to speed with the things I am currently working on. The gardening blog is doing well. I am currently in the process of writing some KILLER content that I can use to get backlinks.


Backlinking is a real challenge that can really occupy a large amount of your time. The process I am using right now, is to ask fellow bloggers in my niche a specific question, then I am compiling a "giant" list of answers, and everyone gets credit that participated (in form of a link) and then they will hopefully link back to me. I have scored a couple of high DA / PA links this way, right off of blogger in fact. I also scored some Wordpress.com links which are always high DA as well.

I want to let you in on a secret about backlinks that a lot of people fail to tell you. When you get a link from a site, or if you even payed for someone to run a program and generate a lot of links for you, you have to really pay attention to what you are doing. Just because they linked to your site, doesn't mean that you are necessarily going to see any benefit (or any determent either). You need to be sure when you are checking your backlinks that:

1. Your link is indeed "dofollow"
2. That there aren't TONS of other links on the page.
3. That your backlink, is indexed by Google. 

That last part is very important.  That's the part they fail to tell you, especially if you are paying for links on a place like Fiverr.  You can get 40,000 links for around 10 dollars, but they are all garbage links, and 99% of them wont index, and the ones that do get index will actually hurt you.

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If you do choose Fiverr, you need to look for people that do pyramid building, and manual .edu and .gov sites.  They are going to give you the best results and have the best chance of getting indexed.

Another service I am using to get backlinks is through social media bookmarking.  There is a service called SocialADR that will submit your bookmarks to over 25 social media sites at once. It is really powerful because each time you submit something, it gets posted by a different user, so the bookmarks are going up all over the world in a very natural way. I currently pay for the 20.00 a month program which gives me enough credits and bookmarks to handle my small amount of websites. You may wish to purchase more if you have more sites, or if you have clients. I spoke with the customer service at SocialADR today, and they told me that the sites take about 1 month to get indexed. They said that they "ping" each url once a day, and they also use an automated indexing too. I don't know what the success rate is, but I will let you know in about a month when I can see if I either got backlinks that are dofollow from high PA and DA social bookmarking sites, or if it was a failure. I think for 20 bucks it was worth a shot to try for the backlinks. The actual traffic you receive from the bookmarks is really small.

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The Most Twitter Followers In The World! - Free Social Media Marketing

How do we achieve the most twitter followers in the world!?!? Well we probably don't but I can give you some insights into how to build a huge twitter following, and not only will it be huge, it can be highly relevant and very free!

First and foremost I want to stress that "free" & "internet marketing" do not always go hand in hand. While there are a lot of things that you can do in internet marketing for free, it's not always the best way to go about a particular task.  I understand what being bootstrapped is, and when I first started this journey a few years ago, I did everything I could to find as many free options as possible.

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I am going to share with you my experience with Twitter, because this is actually one of the internet marketing social media strategies that can absolutely increase your exposure exponentially, and what's even more important, is that this is one of the rare marketing opportunities that is actually free.

There is software that exists for twitter that will allow you to do different things.  Some of them automatically reply to people that follow you.  Others will automatically follow people that follow you, and there are also programs that will tell you all the people you follow, that don't follow you.  All these things are useful, but most of them require that you pay a subscription fee.  In my marketing company there are programs that we do pay for, however for the interest of staying free, I am only going to talk about using Twitter directly with no extra programs, so that you can accomplish these goals 100% free.

The Most Twitter Followers In The World - Step By Step

The first thing you need to do is set up an account with twitter.   Make sure that your nickname and your information all follows the website that you are going to promote.  We recommend having one twitter account for every website you plan to promote.  This will allow you to brand the twitter account to match the website, and will allow you to directly contact twitter followers with the intention of providing outstanding customer service in return for value.

Twitter is all about the relationships that you build.  I am going to give you a few steps here to get the ball rolling:

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1. Create a branded twitter account to promote one and only one website.
2. Search for people, brands and companies that are directly related to your niche (for example if you are in the marketing / building a Wordpress niche, you could go to @patflynn because he is a dominant player in that market).
3. Click on his/her/their followers.  Starting at the very top of the list (which will be the most recent to follow him/her), start following all the people down the list.  The great thing about twitter is that you don't have to know someone to follow them.  These people are already pre-screened to want information about niche marketing.  
4. Be sure to greet and open a dialogue with all the people that start following you back.
5. Tweet at regular intervals throughout the day, providing links to your site, links to relevant sites in your niche, and you can also use famous quotes.  This will establish credibility and give your users value.

Remember that your goal with twitter is to find profitable customers.  So by going to a person in your niche that is an authority, and following the most recent followers of that person, you are picking people to follow that you already know are interested in your niche.  As you follow these people, there will be people that follow you back by default.  Remember to greet everyone that follows you back.

Don't start the conversation with an immediate sales pitch for your website.  Your first message should include 0 links. That is just silly, and spammy at best.  Remember that these are real people, and even though they are potential customers, you want to establish a friendship with these people first.

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Your first goal is 100 followers.  You don't want them to be just blind followers, you want 100 people that you have had discussions with.  You have used these 100 people to establish credibility and also to obtain value from them in the form of defining what their wants are.  This information is priceless.

Once you have 100 followers, continue to follow people by finding them on relevant accounts to your niche.  Sometimes you have to think outside of the box a little bit to determine where to follow.  I have a client that sells high end items for dogs.  These items are by no means a staple, and are strictly discretionary to the consumer.  The majority of the clients are in the upper income brackets in the United States.

One place we found people to follow, were people that followed "Doggy Day Care / Spa" business. We knew if the person had enough discretionary income to send their dog to one of these expensive day cares, that they had more than enough money to buy my client's high end product.

That worked like a charm, and while we didn't generate a huge amount of followers, the followers that we did generate were highly targeted.

Don't be afraid to mention your competition and even share some of their information.  By doing this, you will show your followers that you want them to have great information, regardless of where it comes from, and that you are an "authority" in the niche, because you always have the best articles and quotes for reading.

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#HASHTAGS

Hash tags are so important that they get their own sub-heading.  When you type a tweet, you can insert a hash tag into the tweet that will allow anyone who is searching that hash tag to see your tweet. For example #internetmarketing is a popular hash tag that gets searched for all the time.  You can use this to your advantage and get your tweets out in front of more people that don't necessarily follow you yet.  This feature is what makes twitter so incredibly powerful.  While Facebook does have hash tags, no one really uses them or searches for them.  Let me give you an example of what some of the hash tags will be for this post when I promote it.

The Most Twitter Followers In The World - Work At Home Men #internetmarketing #twitter #free #followers

I do a search for each of those hash tags before I decide to use it, just to make sure that people are actually searching for that term. You want to use tags that are currently being used, and are relevant to your niche.

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You are going to want to use tinyurl.com to make the URL of the page you are trying to promote shorter.  This is especially helpful with particularly long URL's that would greatly limit the amount of characters you have left in your tweet.  One of the things that makes twitter so effective, is that you only get a limited amount of characters that you can use, so you have to be short and sweet.

I hope this gives you a head start with twitter.  I really regret not having started using twitter years ago.  It's amazing how much you can jump start your social media campaigns with it. 

Interested in seeing the twitter account for this website?  I started this twitter account less than one month ago, You can follow me on twitter @workathomemen to receive updates about this website, updates about my competitors websites that offer truly valuable information, and famous (and not so famous) quotes that you can live your day by! I admit that I have not been pushing this account as hard as I could, but I can tell you that it is now responsible for half of my traffic.  It currently equals the amount of organic search traffic that this site generates, so if that's not proof that you can crush it with twitter, I don't know what is!

The Top 9 Reasons Blogs are a Stupid Idea

We all can relate to that familiar feeling...the one where you think your blog is doing well and you are contemplating just quitting your job and diving head first into the world of blogging full time. We dream of vacations and working from a beach somewhere in the Carribean but let's take a moment here to go over the list of reasons why you shouldn't quit your job just yet.  Don't worry you can thank me later when you are enjoying your free time off instead of working on a pipedream that is nothing but smoke in mirrors.

9 Reasons Blogs are a Stupid Idea (Vacation? Ha yea right!)

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#9 Your Blog Stinks 

Well I hate to put it to you that way, but the truth is your blog probably stinks. You may have some pages indexed in Google, and heck you may even have some #1 spots for a series of well-thought out keywords, but the real truth of the matter is that you don't have a fraction of the traffic you would need to get a serious payday going. So let's read on and see what other reasons there are to be very careful about quitting your day job.

 #8 You Can't Afford to Lose the Money

You can't afford to lose the money that your job provides you in order to  work on your blog full time.  It's hard to admit this.  If you don't have a large safety net of money saved up to support yourself for 6-12 months while your blog gets rolling, you could find yourself out on the street with no where to hang your hat.  Girlfriends and wives will be understanding and even excited to a point, but once they realize that your adSense account has made exactly $0.03 over the past month, they will change their song on you rapidly. Girlfriends and wives will become x-girlfriends and x-wives so fast that you head will spin right off your shoulders if you aren't careful.

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#7 You Don't Have a Product

This is a huge factor that people often overlook when starting a blog. There comes a point where you will realize that you have no products! Some people do monetize their sites strictly with PPC-advertising or by placing banners for specific businesses, but most of your real income will come from a product that you have created.  If the whole purpose of your website is to gather email addresses, that's fantastic, because it will offer you a highly targeted list of people to sell your products to. However gaining that list is only half of the battle. Once you have the list you need to open up the doors and use that list to sell a product you have created. That's where the real money is.

#6 You Aren't a "Jack of all Trades"

If blogging, hosting a podcast, running an e-commerce website, or walking your dog all at the same time doesn't sound appealing to you then you should be aware that getting started in this business requires you to put up with all the job requirements  that exist for you to even come close to having success with this business model. It's going to involve you doing so many different things at the same time, that you are going to really want to throw in the towel at any given moment.  This is not a passive job, though certain internet guru's would like you to believe it is.

#5 You Don't Want to Work REALLY , REALLY hard. 

Imagine, if you will, a place where you work yourself from sun up to sun down, and usually way past that as well, late into the night, burning the midnight oil. You have to be prepared for some really long working days and nights where you will feel like you have accomplished absolutely nothing and you will wonder on a regular basis if all this hard work is going to pay off.  Just because one set of circumstances paid off for someone else, don't mean that they didn't spend thousands of hours working on something they would like you to believe they did in 10 minutes.

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#4 Passive Income and Pat Flynn Are Real

If you think Pat Flynn and his blogs are real life success stories, that you are perfectly capable of obtaining, prepare to be ridiculously disappointed when you finally find out that more than half of the information on Pat Flynn has up on his website is outdated. Many of those strategies and tips simply don't work anymore. Next, you are going to put together an exact match domain name, get penalized, then you will try to back link a bunch of 2.0 sites, and get penalized yet again, and then when you are morally crushed and emotionally bankrupt you reach out to Pat for help, he's going to pull a "Cake - Never There" on you....

#3 You Aren't Prepared to Wait up to Three Months

Just to see where you initially stand.  It's called the Google Sandbox, and since NO ONE seems to explain this part in any of the online help with "niche marketing" or "WordPress" starter sites I will attempt to explain this phenomenon myself. Google will take up to 3 months just to index your site. No one cares about your site, especially Google. If you do get lucky and your site gets crawled, your site, you will then be shocked at where you land in the SERPs (Search Engine Results Position) for a specific keyword.  No one is going to tell you that you have to work constantly if you plan to maintain that rank. All this "set it and forget it" nonsense is exactly that, nonsense.

#2 You are Impatient

Your going to have to wait a long while to get into the Google results, if you make it there at all.  The worst thing about it is that your site is going to be sand-boxed and delayed for several weeks to months, so when you do see your site move up, your going to have a heck of a time trying to isolate which actions made you climb the ranks. It doesn't tell you what actions benefited you and which ones didn't so you are left playing a reactionary "guessing" game.

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#1 You are Flat Broke

and you are trying to promote and market your site completely by yourself using free tools. - This is a major no-no and the odds of you hitting all the things you need to get your site to #1 in Google just isn't a realistic goal for someone who is just starting out in this business.  You want to know the absolute fail-safe way to get to #1 in record time?  I will tell you...it's very simple.

Create an adWords account, you fund it, and you pay a little money to get some clicks, and viola, you are on the first page of Google. Stop worrying about organic search results, and worry about creating a real landing page that will convert when people that are specifically selected to come to your site. You don't need organic search results. You need a page that you can convert users to sales and you will stop giving yourself the biggest headache / heartache known to man.


For more information read my blog here at the blogspot, or you can check out fertilizernumbers.net or the one and only dog biscuit blog,  or contact me via email at voicesmicro@gmail.com.  Put something catchy in the subject line, and let's get something started!

Smart Passive Income Blog Review, The Shocking Truth About Pat Flynn and the Long Con

Greetings, before we get started I want to provide a slight disclaimer about what I am going to write.  I like Pat Flynn.  Pat Flynn is the person responsible for me getting off my lazy @$$ and actually doing something with my life.  That being said, it would be irresponsible of me not to share highly valuable information about my experiences with Pat Flynn, Niche Site Duel and the Passive Income Blog / Podcast.

This is an honest review of Pat Flynn.  I know this is going to make a lot of people upset, and I'm probably going to receive some hate mail because of this particular blog post.  I might even lose the 100 readers I do have, but I have no choice.  It's that important to me.  I took the time to calm down and collect my thoughts before writing this.  I want people to understand my experience with Pat so they can benefit from it (or discard it, whatever they choose).

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Pat Flynn is an internet marketing personality that had tremendous exposure over the past half a decade.  His story is truly inspirational and as a regular reader / listener of his products I can tell you that he really is a very charismatic guy. When I first found out about him, I was reading about him and Tyrone Shum and their infamous "Niche Site Duel".  I was highly driven by his story to follow in his footsteps and show the world that I was really capable of making a living exactly the way that Pat did.  Not only did I have a real desire to make these dreams come true, now I had a blueprint to follow, written by an average guy, just like you or I, the "underdog".

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I was in a horrible place financially when I made the jump into internet marketing.  That income counter that Pat has on his smart passive income blog had me so excited I really thought that everything he was saying, had to be true  That hard work could really make a "niche site fantasy" a reality.  I had access to this highly valuable information that no one else wanted to share with me. I saw his income statements, and I was reading all this chatter on forums and review boards,  and I was completely starstruck by this fantastic guy who really wanted to help people out.  After being scammed by a few different marketers I really thought that I had found a lucky break.  My time was finally here.

On the Passive Income Blog, there is a step-by-step guide on how to start a niche site!  Mind you when I started this adventure, I had no experience in web marketing.  However, I did have a lot of computer experience and I won the Dade-County programming competition back in high school.  Myself and a group of friends placed 14th in the state of Florida and I had been using a computer and programming in one language or another since the age of five.  I was confident that I would have the necessary skills to see this through to fruition.  With Pat's help I was certain that I could make 30k a month "passively" and be able to obtain all the things in life that I thought I deserved.

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I was hooked.  I started listening to podcasts, and I started taking notes, I studied from the time I woke up in the morning, until I passed out (sometimes 2 days later) and I was eating, living and breathing Pat Flynn's marketing plan.  There was one thing I completely missed though...I was the one he was marketing to.  I bought it hook line and sinker.

I registered for "Niche Site Duel 2.0" where Pat had this ingenious idea of creating a place where new marketers could all get together and talk with each other.  We could learn from each other and talk about different ideas and tactics so that we would be able to succeed together.  What a great idea right?.... WRONG

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I felt completely hoodwinked.  First of all, Pat is not even on the site.  He posted a couple posts a year or two ago when he started the site, and I don't think he has ever been seen since.  He is not there to answer questions, he is not there to hold your hand, and he certainly isn't going to write back if you message him on there.  What are you stupid or something?

There were a few members that actually made huge efforts to help people.  Not just me, but other people as well.  These people were very important to me when I was starting out, because I had no "mentor".  The mentor I thought I had, was never around.  You can email him, or leave him a question for his other podcast "ask Pat", but after listening literally to hundreds of hours of audio from him, it was very easy to realize that the chances of him getting to your question were pretty small.  I have tried to contact Pat on numerous occasions, and other than his automated marketing emails, there was only one time he ever answered me.

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I kept going...I just knew for sure that Pat would never steer me wrong and that he really wanted to help me, even if he didn't have the time to do it.  That's how much I believed (or wanted to believe) that what Pat Flynn was saying was going to guide me to success.  I knew that if I could just get a couple of things going a little bit, and then maybe Pat would talk to me.. Heck maybe even interview me on one of his podcasts because I had used his plan and become successful.

I actually fantasized about that interview in my mind, as silly as that sounds, but it's true.  I really wanted to talk to him, and I wanted to do well so that I could make him proud.  It's sad, but it's true, and I have a feeling based on his "cult" following that I'm not the only one that thought about that same interview.

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So the first falling out I had was on Niche Site Duel.  Let me explain a couple of things that Pat Flynn's program is not going to teach you, and you are going to have to learn on your own, one way or another.

1. Google Sandbox - Google can take anywhere from 1 day to several months to crawl your site.  Why?  Because... there is no answer to that question, google does whatever it wants, it doesn't tell you why it does it, or how it does it.  You have no right to ask either.  Google doesn't care about you or you stupid website about widgets, but when you are first starting out, you really want google to look at it.  You can't help but think "I have the best website EVER made on the face of the earth about plumbing fittings, and I just can't believe google doesn't have me on the front page yet".  It's so exciting and you will have worked so very hard getting to that point, you really aren't prepared for the fact that it could take weeks or even months to get in the index, if you appear in the search results at all.  That's a topic for another time really.....
2.  Keywords are not as important as they used to be when this whole "niche marketing" keyword craze began.  Back in the day you could make "howtobuildabridge.com" and really get up there in the listings when someone searched for "how to build a bridge". but this is my biggest complaint, and the straw that broke the camels back for me with Pat Flynn.  Google actually penalizes you for Exact Match Domains, and Partial Match Domains.  So..yeah.. all that Market Samurai jibber jabber, and that week you spent coming up with just the right combination with traffic, and relevany, and then actually finding the domain name available that doesn't cost 3000 dollars for a premium listing?  MORE OR LESS WORTHLESS.

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You might be saying to yourself at this point "Robert you are crazy, keyword research is important and maybe you just can't use exact match domains, but it's still important"... NO ITS NOT.. The words that I tried to rank for were not important.  It turns out the page that holds the number 1 spot for those keywords... DOESN'T HAVE THE KEYWORDS ON IT........ ANYWHERE.  It doesn't have the exact match for those keywords in the copy... it doesn't have it in the title, or in a meta description, or in a filename of a picture.. or an alt tag...or ANYWHERE....AT ALL... so ... ya.. once I figured that out I got extremely mad that I spent real money buying a domain name that was hurting me based on Pat's emphasis on how important the keyword research tool was. 

I sure am glad I spent that money on the market samurai (I used Pat's Affiliate Link) to buy a tool that does absolutely, positively NOTHING to help me.  It's another marketing ploy for a product that accomplishes tasks you can do for free with the Keyword Planner.  Yeah yeah, it has suggestions, and can generate keywords, but they are 99% of the time keywords that aren't relevant to what you are trying to sell.  You can argue this all you want, you know it's true if you have used the tool yourself.  The tools offers "competition" etc.. it's all a bunch of hogwash.  It has the "possible income" section where it calculates 50% of the traffic for the #1 spot for the word, then shows you how much you would make if EVERY SINGLE PERSON that visited your site clicked an advertisement.  That's never going to happen, google would ban your account if it did.  Again, no explanation on this point.  Pat never talks about the fact that keyword samurai is flat out lying to you.  Why would they do that?  Because they want you to see how much you "could" make in a hypothetical situation that will NEVER exist and you will actually believe that you could make 1000 dollars a day in advertising for a specific keyword that google doesn't want you to optimize for.  Oh thank you Pat for endorsing this bunch of lies meant to purposely mislead people into thinking that this fantasy of "iloverubberducks.com" can exist!

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Anyway so back to the duel.  Before I knew that I was not only wasting my time with a keyword/domain combo that was hurting me, and before I knew that google might take a month of Sundays to actually crawl my site, I was on there day and night, posting, trying to find out as much information as possible, and I made the biggest mistake I could have ever made....

I posted to the forums, and allowed people to see my site.  The next day I woke up and logged on to see that I had been de-indexed on google and on bing (where I was #1 for my keyword at the time)... not only that, I had a pile of garbage backlinks pointing to my site... I had a manual action against me in webmaster tools, and someone had just launched a site called:  "yourexactsamesite.org"... and it was in the front page of bing already and it looked like a cut and paste job right off my site.  I was crushed completely.

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I then realized that someone with ill intentions had crushed me based on the information I provided in the niche site duel forum.  I realized that I had made a horrible mistake that I Was not going to be able to correct.  Was it my fault?  Absolutely... 100% my mistake.  I didn't understand that there are a great number of people involved in internet marketing that are really horrible people.  I learned that I could never share the site names that I am working on, because this will happen over and over again.  I was really upset because I had just started finally making money with the site and some of the things I was trying were working.  Pat was nowhere to be found, and instead people used his website to hurt other people trying to start out in business.  Way to go Pat!

I am really mad at Pat at this point, and I sent an email to him saying something along the lines that "I will never buy one your products, or ever use your sites again" and he actually wrote me back.  I don't have the email anymore, but I remember him telling me that he "doesn't sell anything" and blah blah blah.  Now I know better, he does sell things.  He sold eBooks, he sells affiliate links to all the trash he's promoting on Passive Income Blog, but I bought in one more time.  I was just so excited that he actually emailed me that once again I said to myself "he has to be a good guy, he really wants to help people do this".

Anyway, I continued with the podcast.  I continued taking notes.  I tried harder and harder to make it work just like Pat said it would.  But I started to find out, It doesn't work like Pat says it works.  In fact all that old outdated information doesn't work at all.

OK so if that's true, I should have listened to everything and get all the new info and still be able to do it right?... Well no, not exactly, now I had this messed up site, that had all these things that I originally done incorrectly and I didn't have the plan anymore. Because the original plan doesn't work, and maybe if you sat there and took notes (which I did) out of every podcast and corrected all the things that have changed, maybe you could do that, but after 6 months of VERY hard work, I had given up hope.  I didn't want to rewrite his plan.. I wanted to know how the it works right now... not read about how great Pat Flynn has it for him and his family while all of us suckers read his piles of worthless content.

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I was played like a fiddle.


I know that I failed at this because of myself.  I know that Pat is not the reason I failed.  The reason I failed is because I put faith where I shouldn't have put faith.  This person never updated all that messed up info, because it ranks well and I'm sure he wouldn't wanna pull the plug on the money maker.  I feel that he has a responsibility to his followers to update these things and put together something current that works, instead of leading people on each week and bringing on some other marketer that runs an affiliate site.

It's not realistic, he is praying on people's false hopes.  He's selling snake oil, and I don't care if he says "it's all free"... because it isn't.  It comes at a price to the people that blindly follow him.  I guess he really doesn't care about anyone like I thought he did.  If he cared, he would update that stuff, and not let people run themselves into the ground trying to execute a plan that will not work.  I mean put together a current plan and sell it...I would buy it... there are 10's of thousands of people that would buy it.

The Most Important Things I Learned From Pat Flynn's GIANT LONG CON SCAM

Don't share your links and projects with people on the internet (or in real life).  There are people that will crush you on purpose just for fun.  Heaven forbid you actually have something profitable then they will really go after you.

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There is no blueprint for web marketing success.  It's all a bunch of people that want to take your money by preying on the fact that you are desperate and you want that "dream" of owning a ".com" that makes you billions.  It's especially bad when the person thinks they can "outsource" everything and just pay people to do it all for them.   I'm not saying you can't outsource...because you can, in fact you HAVE TO if you want to succeed at this.  But you also have to be really involved, there is no "passive income" on the internet, you're gonna work your ass off to see it to fruition.  I am seeing success now, I making enough money to live on and it was originally Pat that got me going in that direction.

What wound up working, and how it "really is" is not what Pat describes or sells.  He's just a marketer that is selling hope.  I got upset because I am a good judge of character and I am not the person that typically gets scammed.

If you want to learn more about making money online, email me at voicesmicro@gmail.com.  That's all I have to say... no sales pitch.. We can talk about your goals, your expectations, where you currently are in your journey, and I will tailor a custom plan to get you on the right path.